Apr 01 09:00:51 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting | gathering people Apr 01 09:01:53 Fedora QA meeting starting shortly, we'll get things moving shortly ... Apr 01 09:02:13 show of hands if you're around Apr 01 09:03:05 --> drago01 (n=linux@chello062178124130.3.13.univie.teleweb.at) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:04:22 ping adamw: wwoods: f13: viking_ice ... and any other QA meeting attendees I've missed :) Apr 01 09:04:37 --> spoleeba (n=one@fedora/Jef) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:04:47 hellĂș.. Apr 01 09:05:30 viking_ice: Ahoj :) Apr 01 09:05:36 yo Apr 01 09:05:42 adamw: heyo! Apr 01 09:05:51 --> wwoods (n=wwoods@nat/redhat/x-d630b04e3da14ae1) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:06:03 wwoods: is back! Apr 01 09:06:16 WITH A VENGEANCE Apr 01 09:06:20 wait, no, just back Apr 01 09:06:26 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:06:29 jlaska: you logging? Apr 01 09:06:30 heh, no bruce willis please :) Apr 01 09:06:35 wwoods: indeed ... go for it Apr 01 09:06:50 we've got viking_ice, adamw and myself so far Apr 01 09:07:25 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:07:45 <-- valente1 has quit ("Leaving.") Apr 01 09:07:47 well, first things - review last week's minutes/actions Apr 01 09:07:56 --- wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA Meeting | review Apr 01 09:08:50 * wwoods trying to find the log Apr 01 09:08:57 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg01142.html Apr 01 09:08:58 * viking_ice does yet another manual install test of beta.. Apr 01 09:09:04 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090325 Apr 01 09:09:23 first - mediawiki plugin fun. any updates? Apr 01 09:10:01 wwoods: no updates there I'm afraid. tibbs|h posted an update in the mediawiki-semantic-forms review with some additional licensing concerns Apr 01 09:10:13 I need to follow-up on that and then continue with the review for that package Apr 01 09:11:20 <-- kulll has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 01 09:11:22 I'll follow-up with the infrastructure guys to get a live dump of the database ... it was requested that we hold off on that until post-beta Apr 01 09:12:29 'kay Apr 01 09:12:31 nothing further from me there either Apr 01 09:12:31 I'm here, sorry for the delay Apr 01 09:12:39 f13: no worries Apr 01 09:12:45 next, radeon test day. it's happening RIGHT NOW OMG Apr 01 09:13:21 --> openpercept (n=openperc@unaffiliated/openpercept) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:13:34 next, open installer bugs -> F11Beta. Well, Beta's out, so we don't need to worry about maintaining that as much Apr 01 09:13:40 --> itami_ (n=itami@h219-110-182-179.catv02.itscom.jp) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:13:52 we *do* need to be sure that F11Beta blocks F11Blocker so we get those weeded out for Final. Apr 01 09:14:05 --- stickster is now known as stickster_afk Apr 01 09:14:06 we spent some time on that Friday ... and a few more additions this week Apr 01 09:14:08 <-- mcepl (n=mcepl@49-117-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) has left #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:14:19 specifically ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Anaconda_installer_issues Apr 01 09:14:43 next was adding stuff to the test result template Apr 01 09:15:00 I haven't added upgrade cases. jlaska, anything from the Beta page you need to add back to the template? Apr 01 09:15:12 I took that action item from last week ... but with help from wwoods, I've carried my changes from the Beta wiki into the template Apr 01 09:15:27 <-- biertie has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 01 09:15:40 --> pingou_laptop (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:15:54 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:16:05 next was adding known install/upgrade issues to the release notes Apr 01 09:16:14 jlaska already covered that Apr 01 09:16:33 how about the thing about live CD -> usb creation Apr 01 09:16:46 that should really be fixed.. Apr 01 09:16:49 asap Apr 01 09:17:03 everything I'm aware of wrt. upgrades is already in the release notes Apr 01 09:17:14 wwoods: we have the blurb about preupgrade iirc Apr 01 09:17:18 yeah, someone should add a release note about doing livecd-iso-to-disk Apr 01 09:17:25 jlaska: right Apr 01 09:17:37 "Upgrading to Fedora 11 Beta from Fedora 10 using preupgrade will fail" Apr 01 09:17:40 pretty clear Apr 01 09:17:41 <-- pingou_laptop has quit (Client Quit) Apr 01 09:17:44 what's the release note around livecd-iso-to-disk ... the syslinux issue? Apr 01 09:18:03 yeah - it won't boot if you create it in F10 or earlier Apr 01 09:18:03 yep Apr 01 09:18:09 installing new syslinux is a workaround Apr 01 09:18:13 for now a note to upgrade syslinux from rawhide Apr 01 09:18:18 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:18:20 probably we should ship a syslinux upgrade for f10 or something Apr 01 09:18:25 indeed Apr 01 09:18:44 is there a bz on this against F10? Apr 01 09:19:07 <-- jjmcd has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 01 09:19:27 not sure, i can file one if needed Apr 01 09:20:41 looks like spot, f13, and jeremy are the most recent folks to touch syslinux in f11 Apr 01 09:21:15 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:21:23 --> Vorbote (n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:21:38 only by accident (: Apr 01 09:21:41 f13: do you know what would be in the way of buildinga new syslinux package for F10 that lets testers use F10 livecd-iso-to-disk with Rawhide images? Apr 01 09:21:43 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:21:51 f13: heh, yeah I know what you mean ;) Apr 01 09:22:53 I don't now of anything standing in the way Apr 01 09:22:58 okay Apr 01 09:23:00 but I'm not really familiar with the package itself. Apr 01 09:23:16 f13: would spot or jeremy be good contacts? Apr 01 09:23:31 more like peter or jeremy Apr 01 09:23:43 okay Apr 01 09:24:07 adamw: would you mind getting a bz in for that? Apr 01 09:24:13 will do Apr 01 09:24:50 we'll get that bug id into the release notes, document the workaround, and talk to pjones/jeremy about updating F10 (and F9?) syslinux to fix the bug Apr 01 09:24:54 that should cover it Apr 01 09:25:23 finally, the review meeting happened and we pushed the big green button Apr 01 09:25:28 Beta went out, hurrah. Apr 01 09:25:42 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:25:51 wwoods/f13: did you guys also want to do an update on autoqa? Apr 01 09:26:00 * jlaska looking over previous minutes Apr 01 09:26:07 oh, sure Apr 01 09:26:09 let's do that Apr 01 09:26:09 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:26:10 I haven't touched it since the beta rush, looking forward to touching it today Apr 01 09:26:14 --- wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA Meeting | autoqa Apr 01 09:26:19 yeah, I poked at it yesterday Apr 01 09:26:27 and checked in an initial verifytree test case Apr 01 09:26:53 we don't have a watcher for post-tree-compose, but we have one test case for it Apr 01 09:26:57 heh Apr 01 09:27:09 is this something one can run manually now? Apr 01 09:27:12 I'm going to need to work on making tests interdependent, so we can stop testing if verifytree fails Apr 01 09:27:30 but the next thing to do would be some qemu-based boot smoketest Apr 01 09:27:38 I'm hoping to make a watcher for post-tree-compose Apr 01 09:27:44 (i.e. the lab-in-a-box stuff we talked about at FUDCon) Apr 01 09:28:24 jlaska: sure, but you need to install autoqa and have a tree available at a local path Apr 01 09:28:36 "install" ... from a git checkout? Apr 01 09:28:46 yeah. git clone and make install Apr 01 09:29:32 cool, what are the tests that you guys have now? Apr 01 09:30:01 at the moment there's two hooks - post-repo-update and post-tree-compose Apr 01 09:30:18 each has one test - repoclosure and verifytree, respectively Apr 01 09:30:40 --> u0m3 (n=alex@86.121.23.213) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:30:47 very nice Apr 01 09:31:23 okay, is there anything you guys want to check-in on next week wrt autoqa ... or should we just leave as a general update again? Apr 01 09:31:34 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:31:52 general update should be fine - with a little luck we should able to be running both hooks regularly by next week Apr 01 09:31:55 but don't hold me to that Apr 01 09:32:08 what if we just focus on repoclosure? Apr 01 09:32:13 <-- lfoppiano_ has quit ("Ex-Chat") Apr 01 09:32:14 getting feature parity with the emails that go out now? Apr 01 09:32:18 --> fab (n=bellet@bellet.info) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:32:24 is that easier/harder/interesting? Apr 01 09:32:28 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:32:34 f13: didn't we have that running on a host somewhere? Apr 01 09:32:57 qa1 Apr 01 09:33:05 its a tad... verbose Apr 01 09:33:24 would it be easier to focus on ironing out the quirks with tests that don't require installs just yet Apr 01 09:33:27 we may want to re-think how it works. Apr 01 09:33:33 combining output into single mails or not Apr 01 09:33:57 yeah, I think willl and I could focus on the tree based tests Apr 01 09:33:58 * jlaska suspects that adding cobbler/kvm/lab-in-a-box to the mix won't make things tremendously easier Apr 01 09:34:05 right Apr 01 09:34:07 in parallel with lab-in-a-box work Apr 01 09:34:25 <-- nphilipp has quit ("Leaving") Apr 01 09:34:29 I'd really like to plug in the lab-in-a-box stuff to what you guys are doing ... but there are a few "missing links" for me right now Apr 01 09:34:52 well, we're designing the test system around the tests we have available Apr 01 09:35:10 <-- sdziallas has quit ("Ex-Chat") Apr 01 09:35:14 so you can't design the tests around the test system Apr 01 09:35:28 or else: infinite recursion Apr 01 09:35:45 * jlaska is convinced life is about infinite recursion Apr 01 09:36:09 wwoods: yeah I see what you're saying ... I'll try to get in the loop with you guys to see how I can wedge what I've got into your framework Apr 01 09:36:10 yeah, I'm joking, that'll work fine Apr 01 09:36:35 but I'll need to talk to you about how we can make sure the autoqa stuff can launch (and process the results of) lab-in-a-box tests Apr 01 09:36:45 --> pkt_ (n=knoppix@athedsl-4558251.home.otenet.gr) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:36:49 we don't need to set that up, just need to make sure the framework can handle it Apr 01 09:36:52 wwoods: okay, I see a sync-up with us in the week :) Apr 01 09:36:54 yeah Apr 01 09:36:58 cool, nice work guys! Apr 01 09:37:15 but figuring out better reporting for the existing tests is the first thing on the agenda for me Apr 01 09:37:33 and I think f13 will be assisting with that and working on a monitor script for post-tree-compose Apr 01 09:37:43 * wwoods worries about re-inventing gridtrees.py Apr 01 09:38:00 meh, if it works ... who cares what it looks like for now :) Apr 01 09:38:13 just call it gridtrees2.py Apr 01 09:38:16 :D Apr 01 09:38:21 yeah, but we have to learn from our (old, non-public) mistakes Apr 01 09:38:30 definitely! Apr 01 09:39:04 for the record the lab-in-the-box some thing that the end user execute or is the plan to being able to remotely execute the tests Apr 01 09:39:29 ( basically just leaving the end user up to supplying hw ) Apr 01 09:39:30 we won't be watching a .py file to be updated, we'll watch a path (: Apr 01 09:39:44 <-- basilgohar has quit (Connection reset by peer) Apr 01 09:39:45 viking_ice: wwoods or f13 can correct me, but my thinking was the same stuff we'd run in an automated fashion, could be installed and run by users Apr 01 09:39:57 viking_ice: the idea is that the lab-in-a-box stuff should allow automated install testing on any machine capable of virtualization Apr 01 09:40:11 f13: haha :) Apr 01 09:40:15 and the test que.. setup.. Apr 01 09:40:28 right - so users could run it, but we'll be most interested in having it running somewhere inside the fedora infrastructure - or at someone's desk Apr 01 09:40:45 whatever, so long as we get testing Apr 01 09:40:46 as in the user fetches test cases ( kickstarts file etc ) and executes them.. Apr 01 09:40:58 viking_ice: that's a great plan for the future Apr 01 09:41:21 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:41:33 we're not there yet, though Apr 01 09:42:07 but yeah, that's a good plan for the future stuff Apr 01 09:42:34 the only other thing I had on my mind was the schedule proposal I mentioned last week Apr 01 09:42:58 I did some research and talked to people and did some planning and whatnot and decided.. it's probably not worth the effort Apr 01 09:43:36 It'd be much better spent on the stuff we've already got planned - better tools for testing and reporting, so we can do more efficient testing Apr 01 09:43:57 <-- Vorbote has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 01 09:44:03 at least that's how I see it for the near future. Apr 01 09:44:37 so that idea is on Indefinite Hold. Apr 01 09:45:00 okay. what else do we need to discuss? Apr 01 09:45:13 can I touch on something adamw raised last week? Apr 01 09:45:42 we're sort of discussed it already, so I don't want to spend a lot of time ... but adamw hilighted that we might not be communicating the known issues effectively Apr 01 09:46:04 from ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090325#Building_the_Beta_Known_issues Apr 01 09:46:28 we spent some time building out the known issues list ... are we happy with the result? Apr 01 09:46:40 linky? Apr 01 09:46:42 --- wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA Meeting | Known issues Apr 01 09:46:46 does the consensus from last week still hold? Apr 01 09:46:54 known issues - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Anaconda_installer_issues Apr 01 09:47:00 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes#Known_Issues Apr 01 09:47:03 out consensus from last week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090325#Building_the_Beta_Known_issues Apr 01 09:47:12 Consensus was ... "# Result - QA team must internally reference the Beta release notes known issues in all IRC and email communication. " Apr 01 09:47:18 --- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone Apr 01 09:47:25 it's early still ... but "how's our driving"? Apr 01 09:47:43 <-- basilgohar has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 01 09:48:08 seems pretty good, anecdotally at least - everyone I've asked about bugs has said things like "I didn't see that in the release notes, so ..." Apr 01 09:48:15 i.e. it seems like people are reading 'em Apr 01 09:48:29 how much longer do we spend adding issues to the list ... a few things came up today Apr 01 09:48:32 the public announcements i've seen at least referenced the release notes Apr 01 09:48:33 mainly syslinux I guess Apr 01 09:48:33 e.g. http://www.osnews.com/story/21232/Fedora_11_Beta_Released Apr 01 09:48:41 --> basilgohar (n=basilgoh@118.100.50.137) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:49:03 it doesn't specifically link to the known issues as we discussed, though Apr 01 09:49:13 perhaps i could poke rahul and suggest that to him for future release announcements Apr 01 09:49:20 also on this topic: so warren started up a blog for rawhide issues: http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com/ Apr 01 09:49:21 --> kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:49:27 oh, yes, that's an AWESOME idea Apr 01 09:49:31 ++ Apr 01 09:49:58 I've lost my right click... Apr 01 09:50:22 we should coordinate with him - either send him updates, or see if he needs/wants help maintaining it Apr 01 09:50:27 it's already on fedora planet, which is great Apr 01 09:50:37 we might want to get it into the default bookmarks, at least for prereleases Apr 01 09:51:31 (he's not on IRC right now or I'd just bring him in so we can talk about it) Apr 01 09:51:52 that's a really good idea, perhaps checking in with him on how we can add issues to his list? Apr 01 09:52:21 <-- giallu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 01 09:52:58 yeah, the first post sez "Please submit notable news to Warren Togami and it may appear here." Apr 01 09:53:15 and there we have it Apr 01 09:53:29 for the moment let's try to ping him on IRC (or, failing that, email him) with notable rawhide stuff Apr 01 09:53:49 I'll talk to him about whether he wants/needs help from QA maintaining that page Apr 01 09:53:54 or ask him if he can add poster to it Apr 01 09:54:05 skvidal: so others can contribute you mean? Apr 01 09:54:12 --> mcepl (n=mcepl@49-117-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:54:15 skvidal: right. also I hear rumors that the infrastructure team might be thinking about setting up wordpress for fedora Apr 01 09:54:30 jlaska: yes Apr 01 09:54:39 skvidal: roger Apr 01 09:54:40 wwoods: yah - not sure of the last status on that, though Apr 01 09:54:46 so we might want a plan to migrate over.. so it might be prudent to figure that out before we go putting this link all over the place Apr 01 09:55:02 which is why having it on the planet is fine Apr 01 09:55:12 or ask infrastructure to setup a redirect Apr 01 09:55:20 rawhidebabyeating.fedoraproject.org Apr 01 09:55:36 nomnombabies.fedoraproject.org Apr 01 09:55:50 then you can give out that address Apr 01 09:55:54 does someone want to checkin with warren before next meeting just to see what his plans were and if/how we can engage? Apr 01 09:55:57 and when/if it moves... Apr 01 09:57:28 --> Renault (n=chatzill@AToulon-151-1-96-43.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:57:45 I don't mind chatting with Warren if there are no takers Apr 01 09:58:21 --> warren (n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 09:58:30 and he arrives! Apr 01 09:59:04 wwoods: adamw: viking_ice: f13: any other discussion topics ... or should we start wrapping up? Apr 01 09:59:15 just to note that infrastructure is working on my calendaring proposal Apr 01 09:59:22 not much, just a lot of catch up to do post-bet arush Apr 01 09:59:24 sounds like they're about to come up with a system that would do the job right Apr 01 09:59:29 sorry was away speaking to the dbadmin Apr 01 09:59:33 keep an eye on posts from susmit on infrastructure-list if you're interested Apr 01 09:59:47 adamw: I saw that ... sounds like 2 candidates being reviewed? Apr 01 10:00:02 <-- Sonar_Guy has quit ("Leaving") Apr 01 10:00:04 jlaska: it's moved on from there, neither of those did caldav, but susmit now says he's thought up a system which would work out Apr 01 10:00:11 combination of zicula and phpical Apr 01 10:00:36 adamw: very nice, thank you for following that Apr 01 10:01:51 wwoods: any other topics on your end? Apr 01 10:02:08 none from me. jlaska, if you want to be the official Warren Liason then we'll review that next week Apr 01 10:02:20 so let's try to sum up the actions planned: Apr 01 10:02:26 wwoods: will do Apr 01 10:03:03 huh? Apr 01 10:03:05 [wwoods] autoqa: work on better (clearer) reporting from existing tests Apr 01 10:03:12 (test, really: just repoclosure atm) Apr 01 10:03:22 err, oops Apr 01 10:03:25 warren: I'll catch up with you later with some questions on your rawhidewatch blog Apr 01 10:03:33 --- wwoods has changed the topic to: Fedora QA | Action summary! Apr 01 10:03:49 [f13] autoqa: work on monitor for post-tree-compose Apr 01 10:04:13 [wwoods, jlaska] autoqa: discuss lab-in-a-box integration Apr 01 10:04:58 [jlaska] talk to warren and see if he needs/wants help with http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com/ Apr 01 10:05:06 that's all I can remember off the top of me head Apr 01 10:05:10 [adamw] - will file a F10 bug for the syslinux issue, initiate discussion with pjones or jeremy for building a updated F10 package Apr 01 10:05:11 what else? Apr 01 10:05:20 syslinux issue? Apr 01 10:05:42 warren: you can't build a usb image of the f11 beta live CDs without an updated syslinux Apr 01 10:06:05 so I guess if fedora is going to put up an wp instance we wont need the announcement one right? Apr 01 10:06:41 should we take the action out of meeting for syslinux? Apr 01 10:08:10 <-- fbijlsma has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Apr 01 10:08:12 <-- basilgohar has quit (Connection timed out) Apr 01 10:08:28 jlaska: not sure what you mean Apr 01 10:08:48 if that's all the actions we got from this meeting, let's call it done and get to work on that syslinux thing Apr 01 10:08:55 yeah that's what I wanted :) Apr 01 10:08:57 i'll do the bug Apr 01 10:08:57 thanks ;) Apr 01 10:09:29 --> Sonar_Guy (n=Who@fedora/sonarguy) has joined #fedora-meeting Apr 01 10:09:29 <-- kital has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Apr 01 10:09:47 <-- warren has quit ("Leaving") Apr 01 10:10:12 thanks wwoods, I'll post minutes to the list shortly Apr 01 10:10:30 cool. thanks, all