Mar 18 09:00:16 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg00965.html) | init Mar 18 09:01:44 Let's wait a few for folks to adjust to the changed meeting time Mar 18 09:01:56 --- stickster_afk is now known as stickster Mar 18 09:02:36 adamw: f13: wwoods (not expected today): viking_ice Mar 18 09:02:53 * Mar 18 09:02:56 anyone I missed, please raise your hands :) Mar 18 09:03:06 viking_ice: hello Mar 18 09:03:19 * f13 Mar 18 09:03:22 greetings Mar 18 09:03:26 f13: welcome Mar 18 09:04:49 --- sspreitzer is now known as sspreitzer[AWAY] Mar 18 09:04:58 * jlaska waits another minute or so Mar 18 09:06:25 yo Mar 18 09:06:29 heyo! Mar 18 09:06:37 sorry, i am involved in a vigorous and enthusiastic discussion in -devel Mar 18 09:06:38 ;) Mar 18 09:06:44 okay, I think we have critical mass Mar 18 09:06:46 no worries :) Mar 18 09:07:06 my goal is to keep this under 1 hour today ... so let's git'er done Mar 18 09:07:24 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA Meeting | Follow-up from last meeting http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/fedora-qa/fedora-qa-20090311.log.html Mar 18 09:07:52 the best I can discern from last weeks minutes is the semantic open it Mar 18 09:07:54 em Mar 18 09:07:55 * wwoods kinda here but will be leaving in a bit Mar 18 09:07:55 [jlaska&adamw] mediawiki semantic* packaging Mar 18 09:08:10 wwoods: welcome! Mar 18 09:08:32 made some good progress on the packaging, I decided not to bug adamw with that just yet since things were going fairly well Mar 18 09:08:38 --> seku (i=seku@emdia.fi) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:08:42 one package reviewed and build ... another inprogress Mar 18 09:08:44 * mediawiki-semantic http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7968 Mar 18 09:08:49 * mediawiki-semantic-forms package review bug#490171 Mar 18 09:08:49 Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490171 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms Mar 18 09:08:51 yes, I have been dynamically and enthusiastically leaving it to jlaska Mar 18 09:09:01 and expect full credit for this work =) Mar 18 09:09:08 stickster and tibbs|h - thanks for guidance on the licensing for mediawiki-semantic-forms Mar 18 09:09:16 adamw: hey, blame goes with the credit! :D Mar 18 09:09:25 as far as next steps ... Mar 18 09:09:29 * next steps to setup & configure a test instance and incorporate live data Mar 18 09:09:56 I sent a request out ot fedora-infrastructure to see if I could get a dump of live wiki data for testing these extensions Mar 18 09:10:06 this is definitely an area I could use assistance on Mar 18 09:10:33 it's not hard to set this thing up at all ... just going to be important on how we document best practices etc... Mar 18 09:11:21 --> Nirmal (n=npathak@nat/redhat-in/x-f494718b5efeba97) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:11:25 if anyone is interested in helping setup and play with mediawiki + semantic ... just let me know, I could use some extra eyes here Mar 18 09:11:54 that's all I coudl pick out from last week's action items ... what did I miss? Mar 18 09:12:00 as i mentioned to you privately - poke fcami, as he requested it in the first place :) Mar 18 09:12:14 i'd like to play with it for test day results, but for that it needs to be up publicly somewhere really Mar 18 09:12:42 indeed ... I'd like us to get really familiar with how to use this thing Mar 18 09:13:11 once it's packaged, I can ask infrastructure for hosting and we can start playing around in a demo instance Mar 18 09:13:26 sure, i can come on board with playing about at that point. Mar 18 09:13:37 great, that will be a big help Mar 18 09:14:03 the guidance we have from the laptop.org folks is make sure we outline some best practices/policy before we unleash this Mar 18 09:14:32 --> RohanRNS (n=rohan@c-24-6-185-93.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:14:33 ACTION: let's do another check-in next week on packaging, and hopefully status on a hosted demo site Mar 18 09:14:45 any other topics from last week folks would like to raise status on? Mar 18 09:15:22 er, let me take a look at the summary for a sec Mar 18 09:15:29 ... sure Mar 18 09:15:47 graphics test days - intel was held and successful Mar 18 09:15:50 still haven't organized radeon yet Mar 18 09:15:54 i'll send out a poke to the devs on that Mar 18 09:16:10 we're hoping to have an intel follow up later before f11's release, to test fixes for the issues identified at the first event Mar 18 09:16:14 <-- ezq has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Mar 18 09:16:40 ACTION: schedule radeon test day [adamw] Mar 18 09:16:46 ^---- for my grepping sanity Mar 18 09:17:16 adamw: nice job on the intel test day ... seems like you were very busy Mar 18 09:17:35 lots of results (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-12) and data still coming in on the mailing list Mar 18 09:18:29 yesterday was also the DeviceKit test day (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-17) Mar 18 09:18:35 --- stickster is now known as stickster_food Mar 18 09:18:57 we didn't get quite the turn out that Intel testing gathered Mar 18 09:19:44 while a lot of the code for the DeviceKit feature is complete ... there are still interaction and UI quirks to iron out Mar 18 09:20:15 so if folks have the time ... Live USB key + DeviceKit testing (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:DeviceKit_Test_Cases) is the way to go Mar 18 09:20:31 any other topics from last week? Mar 18 09:21:09 okay ... on to F-11-Beta ... Mar 18 09:21:17 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting | F-11-Beta discussion Mar 18 09:22:07 wwoods provided a bullet list of discussion points ... which I'll summarize as the who/what/when/where/why's of the F-11-Beta Mar 18 09:22:34 > F-11 Schedule https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule Mar 18 09:22:49 <-- valente1 has quit ("Leaving.") Mar 18 09:23:03 f13: do you have any updates from release engineering with respect to the Beta? Mar 18 09:23:47 nothing good to say. Mar 18 09:23:51 anaconda still not ready. Mar 18 09:23:57 refer to the recent vigorous and enthusiastic discussion in -devel :) Mar 18 09:24:27 from a schedule perspective, do you anticipate any changes there? Mar 18 09:24:50 if I don't get a golden tree in the form of tomorrow's rawhide, I think we slip. Mar 18 09:24:58 as it is we're damn close to the wire. Mar 18 09:25:27 indeed ... Beta is scheduled to hit the mirrors on 03/24 ? Mar 18 09:25:33 --> nandersson (n=nanderss@250.Red-88-30-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:26:02 no, that's when its supposed to GA Mar 18 09:26:22 to hit that date, we have to be available to mirrors the 20th or the 21st Mar 18 09:26:22 so a few days prior for the mirrors? Mar 18 09:26:52 so we have < 2 days to compose then test a beta candidate? Mar 18 09:27:13 that is correct sir. Mar 18 09:27:40 the current F11Beta blocker list isn't too bad ... but I think it's the what's lurking behind door#2 that concerns you? Mar 18 09:27:42 once again we're to the point of "either the one we finally get to make is right, or we slip" Mar 18 09:27:49 F11Beta blockers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=476774&hide_resolved=1 Mar 18 09:28:09 jlaska: I think a /lot/ of the storage bugs just aren't filed and/or listed in F11Beta Mar 18 09:28:31 what information do you need to make a slip vs no slip recommendation? Mar 18 09:28:55 a real good idea of what storage bugs exist Mar 18 09:29:07 a what works, vs what doesn't work, vs what hasn't been tested Mar 18 09:29:14 <-- pingou has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Mar 18 09:29:37 so that leads us to the test results wiki page created by wwoods https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results Mar 18 09:29:58 I'm making some pre-beta candidate images right now in phx that has today's rawhide + newer anaconda and python-pyblock Mar 18 09:30:14 jlaska: well the installer guys know some of this, but they aren't sharing with bugzilla. Mar 18 09:30:26 so basically you need us/bugzappers to be looking through anaconda storage bugs and trying to get appropriate ones on the blocker list? Mar 18 09:31:16 adamw: is that possible? I'd be curious what total number of untriaged isntallation bugs we have post F11-Alpha Mar 18 09:31:33 adamw: yes, but again I think a lot of the known issues just aren't filed as bugs Mar 18 09:31:35 I suspect we had a few test blockers that prevent us from hitting more interesting installer bugs Mar 18 09:31:39 jlaska: i'll see if anyone in Bugzappers would be willing to look at that Mar 18 09:31:55 jlaska: i can give you a number on untriaged installation bugs, btw, give me a few seconds Mar 18 09:32:02 adamw: thank you Mar 18 09:32:03 and part of that problem has been new bugs introduced with changes to fix old bugs preventing further install testing. Mar 18 09:32:15 jlaska: what date did alpha come out, off the top of your head? Mar 18 09:32:41 around 2009-02-01 Mar 18 09:32:51 timestamp = 1233543911.73 Mar 18 09:32:52 --> JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@p4FDD20A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:33:38 f13: are we at the point where we have enough confidence that we can reach out for beta install testers to help flesh out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results Mar 18 09:33:47 ok - there are 42 bugs in NEW status filed on any anaconda component in rawhide since 2009-02-01 Mar 18 09:33:49 this is the list: Mar 18 09:33:52 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora&component=anaconda&component=anaconda-help&component=anaconda-images&component=anaconda-yum-plugins&version=rawhide&bug_status=NEW&chfieldfrom=2009-02-01&chfieldto=Now&chfield=[Bug%20creation] Mar 18 09:33:55 (at bugzilla.redhat.com) Mar 18 09:34:15 jlaska: yes, although we may have to feed them updates.img files Mar 18 09:34:21 NEW status means it's untriaged (and unlikely to have been touched by bugzappers or maintainers) Mar 18 09:34:30 jlaska: we should have had them banging away at the results page from the day of freeze Mar 18 09:35:01 f13: certainly earlier the better ... not sure how much progress we would have made given some key test blockers on storage Mar 18 09:35:08 f13: so it would be useful to you for qa/bugzappers to go through that list and get appropriate ones onto the blocker list? if so i'll try and get that done. Mar 18 09:35:26 jlaska: we would have at least known where the bugs were and had them recorded in bugzilla. Mar 18 09:35:30 <-- che has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Mar 18 09:35:43 f13: possibly ... but that's what test blockers are ... we don't konw what lurks behind them Mar 18 09:35:46 adamw: sure, it'll give us something to review for block/noblock. Mar 18 09:35:56 jlaska: at this point, we don't even know what the test blockers /are/ Mar 18 09:35:58 f13: but I agree knowing more at this point would arm us well for a beta recommendation Mar 18 09:36:30 okay, I'll take an action item to put out a request for testing assistance Mar 18 09:37:05 ACTION: [jlaska] email f-t-list with request for pre-beta test feedback in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results Mar 18 09:37:10 and a note somewhere that this page needs to be available at or before the freeze and we need to start getting results recorded at or before the freeze. Mar 18 09:37:34 f13: can you get me a link or info on the updates.img (or if you can post directly to that wiki page)? Mar 18 09:37:46 I don't know if there is one being passed around yet today Mar 18 09:38:02 f13: ah okay, I may have misunderstood a previous comment Mar 18 09:38:08 I'm not aware of one for today either Mar 18 09:38:10 well, I saw mention of some but I think that's for further develoipment on storage branch not necessarily fixing critical beta bugs. Mar 18 09:39:06 we still have an open issue that I don't think we have sufficient time to fill out the matrix Mar 18 09:39:20 so as is usually the case, we may need ot make a decision with what info we have available Mar 18 09:40:04 f13: if there are some high-level use cases related to installation that would give you a better sense for this release, we might choose to narrow the request for testing around those areas? Mar 18 09:40:29 which reminds me ... anyone have the link for the Beta release notes so we can begin to drop content there? Mar 18 09:40:49 I don't know off hand, what is our "critical" path for beta? Mar 18 09:41:26 autopart using existing Linux, autopart using free space, autopart using entire disk, all of those + encryption Mar 18 09:41:32 various levels of custom partitioning Mar 18 09:41:39 clearing off existing LVM sets Mar 18 09:41:40 everything from the part type screen was my initial focus for the storage test day Mar 18 09:42:02 yeah you're list above is what I had in mind as well Mar 18 09:42:13 <-- nicubunu has quit (Remote closed the connection) Mar 18 09:42:36 f13: okay, I'll see if we need to adjust the test results wiki accordingly and request focus on those areas Mar 18 09:42:57 when should we review the results ... Friday? Mar 18 09:43:03 that's too late Mar 18 09:43:21 either thursday's rawhide (that's tomorrow) is good enough for beta, or we slip. Mar 18 09:43:28 so end of day tomorrow? Mar 18 09:44:01 --> foolish (n=foolish@fedora/foolish) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:44:04 jlaska: end of day, or first critical breakage, whichever comes first Mar 18 09:44:29 sounds good ... we'll be in touch :D Mar 18 09:44:38 okay ... any other comments on the Beta ? Mar 18 09:45:11 adamw: do you think we can have the OPEN issues scrubbed in time for tomorrow by end of day? Mar 18 09:45:22 OPEN == (NEW anaconda bugs) Mar 18 09:45:58 wait a sec, is this meeting an hour early today? Mar 18 09:46:02 yes Mar 18 09:46:10 ok, no wonder my alarm didn't go off Mar 18 09:46:19 f13: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg00965.html Mar 18 09:46:26 I haven't gotten to email yet Mar 18 09:46:32 no worries Mar 18 09:46:34 jlaska: i've sent requests to the irc chan and mailing list Mar 18 09:46:44 adamw: thanks ... we'll see where we are tomorrow then Mar 18 09:46:49 jlaska: iarly is going to help out now, i will try and do some myself later too Mar 18 09:46:54 --> nicubunu (n=nicubunu@mail.apsro.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:47:12 My google fu is failing to find a Beta release notes wiki page ... anyone know if that exists yet? Mar 18 09:47:29 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Beta/ReleaseNotes is empty Mar 18 09:47:56 <-- nicubunu has quit (Client Quit) Mar 18 09:47:59 ... I'll find out an include in the minutes Mar 18 09:48:20 ... okay rounding 3rd base ... Mar 18 09:48:24 --- stickster_food is now known as stickster_afk Mar 18 09:48:31 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting | Upcoming QA events Mar 18 09:48:45 adamw has 2 test days upcoming ... Mar 18 09:48:55 tomorrow > XFCE Test Day [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-19] Mar 18 09:49:08 xfce is pretty much planned except i need to finish off the test cases. i'll get that done today Mar 18 09:49:09 and the following thursday > Nouveau Test Day [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26] Mar 18 09:49:16 should've been promoted yesterday but i didn't have time, la la. Mar 18 09:49:19 * nirik was finally able to make xfce live isos and test last night. Hurray. Mar 18 09:49:24 adamw: you've got the mic ... Mar 18 09:49:34 nirik: ooh. could if we could have those available for the test day it'd be awesome Mar 18 09:49:55 yeah, I can see about uploading somewhere. Mar 18 09:50:02 spins ready for test day? Mar 18 09:50:03 nouveau is mostly ready too, still need to have the rendercheck packaging done (i'll bug ben about that), but we could go ahead without it. a live CD would be really great for that also. Mar 18 09:50:10 --> lcafiero (n=lcafiero@69.12.253.28) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:50:13 <-- tdiehl has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Mar 18 09:50:34 adamw: we can do the livecd for nouveau, I can build images and request hosting from jeremy (who has more quota) Mar 18 09:50:36 rule of thumb hw test == we need to hva livecd Mar 18 09:50:38 ready Mar 18 09:50:55 viking_ice: agreed, the live images have been *very* handy for those test days Mar 18 09:51:05 nirik: jeremy has gigantic quota, we've just been sticking live CDs in his space for now. we could remove older ones after a while and update the link on the test day pages to point to the nwer ones. Mar 18 09:51:11 there were atleast 2 on the intel test day Mar 18 09:51:27 that needed live ( willing to test not willing to break box ) Mar 18 09:51:30 adamw: cool. If someone could make some and stick them up there that would be great. Mar 18 09:51:59 nirik: you need someone to build the images for XFCE? Mar 18 09:52:00 I did make some minor ks changes last night. Requested them for the beta... so if you could, spin them from git head Mar 18 09:52:25 jlaska: well, I can build them here, but not sure how long upload will take. ;) If someone is closer net wise and has good upload that might be faster. Mar 18 09:53:03 I need to drop off so that I can get ready for my next meeting. Mar 18 09:53:04 jlaska: if you could help me out there it'd be awesome, i still haven't got used to the generator and i'm looking to have a busy rest of today with the xfce test cases and installer triaging stuff. plus i've got a haircut this afternoon :) Mar 18 09:53:05 nirik: if you can send me which spin-kickstarts/ file are you using I can ask if jeremy can post them for us? Mar 18 09:53:13 f13: roger, see you soon Mar 18 09:53:26 adamw: you do need a haircut! Mar 18 09:53:27 :) Mar 18 09:53:37 <-- fab has quit ("Leaving") Mar 18 09:53:43 jlaska: hmm, when you saw me i'd had one quite recently :P Mar 18 09:53:54 jk ;) Mar 18 09:54:08 jlaska: sure, basically the xfce one from git head of spins-kickstarts. Mar 18 09:54:12 okay Mar 18 09:54:21 I'll talk to jeremy and se if we can have something posted for tomorrow Mar 18 09:54:32 unless anyone else wants to grab that one? Mar 18 09:54:41 http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-xfce.ks;h=b97e245b94843596c1026d265a181e30e0dfe784;hb=9ec863778654f5462ab33300181ec1a9348d58ef Mar 18 09:54:45 man, thats ugly. Mar 18 09:54:52 --> stickster (n=nnnpfrie@ip72-205-14-2.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 09:54:55 nirik: no worries, I have the link Mar 18 09:55:27 <-- stickster_afk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Mar 18 09:55:31 okay folks ... I need to cut out shortly, and we're approaching out 1hr limit Mar 18 09:55:38 --- jlaska has changed the topic to: Fedora QA meeting | Open Discussion Mar 18 09:56:36 are there any topics folks would like to discuss before we close out? Mar 18 09:57:11 <-- kirkz has quit ("Leaving") Mar 18 09:57:15 just FYI, I should be around for Xfce tomorrow, but I am on MDT, so will not be in until 9am (11am EDT). Mar 18 09:57:35 nirik: okay, thanks for update Mar 18 09:58:33 wp instance for announcements stuck in infrastructure Mar 18 09:58:51 viking_ice: do you have a link to the ticket? Mar 18 09:59:15 12456 Mar 18 09:59:16 1245 Mar 18 09:59:31 it's 1245 Mar 18 09:59:56 perhaps maintainers/developers should introduce them self as such when reply on the test list Mar 18 10:00:11 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1245 Mar 18 10:00:27 yup Mar 18 10:00:34 viking_ice: that'd be nice but probably unlikely to be possible :\ trying to get maintainers to do anything like that is like herding cats... Mar 18 10:01:00 sandeen: has been getting hard time getting testers to do what they need to do for him to diagnose the problem Mar 18 10:01:01 --> pingou (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 18 10:01:22 Well hey smug me maintain you do this ok and file a report with output Mar 18 10:01:51 --- stickster is now known as stickster_mtg Mar 18 10:02:03 viking_ice: hrmm, interesting idea ... I'm going to put this down as a discussion point Mar 18 10:02:12 well a whole sysrq wiki page got written Mar 18 10:02:19 yeah that was good stuff! Mar 18 10:02:49 jlaska: there is also an rfe that wont get work on until the webpage is setup Mar 18 10:03:01 for a notifier-applet in gnome Mar 18 10:03:01 viking_ice: can you post the link for the minutes? Mar 18 10:03:16 which link ? Mar 18 10:03:22 SysRq Mar 18 10:03:46 I've got to drop off folks, thanks for the meeting Mar 18 10:03:58 minutes to follow on the list, let's continue discussion in #fedora-qa and on fedora-test-list@redhat.com Mar 18 10:04:03 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Sysrq Mar 18 10:04:13 viking_ice: thanks! Mar 18 10:04:15 well christo moved it there